No proud Baltic capital wants its appeal reduced to, as one website
puts it, "medieval lesbian stripper show and meal". And the British
invasion is prompting the arrival of stag revellers from elsewhere.
"Many of them are British because of the Ryanair flights,
but some are Irish, there are Finns. It's not just a stereotype of the
English, the Scandinavians can almost be worse," Ms Celms says.
But those who head east for stag events say the vast
majority behave themselves and appreciate the local culture. In a
Mintel survey in 2003, only 10% of respondents agreed that stag parties
harm the destination cities.
One British stag website speaks for many when it
praises Riga as "fairly unspoilt", and yet suggests revellers may wake
from a drunken stupor on a local monument.
Local 'talent'
Richard Billington, 26, was the stag on a trip to Krakow at the weekend
and attended another in Prague three weeks earlier. He says good
behaviour is the norm.
"During the days there is an old town square in the
middle of the city which has got bars all the way around. We were
sitting in the bars drinking and keeping an eye on the local talent.
The eastern European ladies are lovely.
"Everyone was really friendly even to a group of English blokes. You know not to be overly stupid, especially in the clubs."
His party visited both of Krakow's strip clubs, but he says nothing
could have been further from the party's mind than prostitution on
either trip.
Whatever the behaviour of the respectable majority, Mr Kastens is still worried.
"Many people are not happy that the old town is becoming a brothel. If
the boom continues, all the city will be a kind of brothel."
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Why should any woman seriously consider getting married any more, if
before they get to the altar it is the norm for their groom to have
cheated on them with lapdancers and prostitutes in a foreign brothel,
with an encouraging nod and wink from the best man and all of their
mates?
Laura Nere, Manchester, England
Thank God I married a muslim!
Hope Full, birmingham
As a Latvian living in the UK, I am amused but disconcerted by the
attention that the British press devotes to the epiphenomenon of stag
groups in New Europe. Articles like this one distort out of all
proportion the significance of a minority of trashy tourists and those
who cater for them, ignoring entirely the broader picture of an
economically thriving region that enjoys large inflows of decent
visitors.
As anyone who has seen a British city at night will
know, a certain stratum of this island's population rather enjoys
frequently overindulging in alcohol and behaving obnoxiously. With the
advent of low fares airlines, it is only natural that some of these
people have found their way to other countries with lower priced drinks
and other services. Regrettable though their patterns of consumption
may be, it is not clear to me why they are any worse when practiced in
Riga and Prague rather than Liverpool or Manchester. It is nothing
short of ridiculous to hail this internationalization of young men
behaving badly as a 'British invasion' or 'another form of
imperialism'.
Arthur Kadish, Oxford, UK
I see no point in all this hen/stag night nonsense. As Friedrich
Nietzsche said "The mother of excess is not joy but joylessness".
Ed, Bath
Boyfriend's mate came back from stag do in Latvia with an STI. Didn't
tell fiancee for two years after wedding - too late to prevent her
becoming sterile. If you want to sleep with prostitutes then don't
bother getting married, you're not going to be a decent husband anyway.
B Cooke, London
Many men reading this will have slept with prostitutes on stag do's.
I'm sure you convinced yourself that "it's their choice", but for many
of the women it is not. They are controlled by brutal gangs and can't
refuse you. Sex without consent? I believe it's called rape.
Paul, UK
So Cailean from Glasgow blames capitalism for the economic woes of
Eastern European countries? While the system obviously has many faults,
might not the (relative) poverty endemic to these countries have more
to do with the fact that they laboured under communism for many
decades? I agree it's a shame that some British tourists let themselves
down abroad, but the commercialisation of holiday destinations is
ineviable if they want wealthy foreigners to come there and spend
money.
Ollie, London
I had the misfortune to attend a stag weekend in Newcastle. Truly the
worst weekend of my life and one I paid £500 for. It has made me think
about my own future arrangements and when my turn comes I won't be
having a stag weekend. I believe it is wrong to expect friends to pay
out large sums of money and use holiday for such weekends when soon
after they'll have to pay out again and take more holiday for the
wedding itself.
Justin Smith, Cambridge, UK
My boyfriend was invited to a stag weekend in Bristol and i wasn't keen
as it was a crowd of "macho" soldiers and policemen going. I have two
brothers and know all about stag weekends and what goes on now - in all
walks of life - not just the chav/football hooligan stereotype. When he
found out what the intention was he told the best man to count him out.
We're supposed to go and stand in church and watch this 'man' marry the
poor girl when i know that he and his fellow 'stags' have been up to?
We decided not to go to the wedding either - it makes me sick. And
women don't be fooled into thinking that lap dancing clubs are nothing
more - i've worked in sales as the only woman in the office and even in
respctable Bournemouth - my colleagues went to a club and paid for sex
(behind curtained off area so their mates could hear) that they could
brag about at conference the next day. Why do they get married ??
Lesley, London
I think Mr Kastens maybe forgets that although Liverpool does have
savages, just as does Manchester, Glasgow and London. There are no more
than what he would find on his own front door step. I feel sad for a
man who makes assumptions of area without visiting places himself. I
appreciate his town is full of historic importance and sites, however
if he took time to see where people come from, he would also notice
that Liverpool is full of beautiful sites and history also.
Personally I would love to visit Riga and wouuld track
down Mr Kastens and insist that he returns the favour allowing me to
show him around Liverpool, after which I would expect an apology and a
retraction of his very narrow minded comment. Muppet!
CF, Liverpool, UK
Why must people complain about this sort of thing? to have a stag or
hen night is the last chance to spend time with friends you have known
for a long time before you become married. marriage may be a chore and
its true most end in divorce but to say that a wild stag night in
another country would lead to divorce is foolish. and to argue that the
stag night is disrespectful of women, well that is a generalisation....
and even if it does who really cares enough to stop it... all those
complaining why dont you try to solve the problems like the human
traffiking rather than just moaning about it.
DC, Surrey
Get over yourself's anyone who wants to wax lyrical about culture, old
streets, museums et al. Lads hit these places for brothels and strip
clubs, anything else such as gun firing is an addendum to the main
event. The cities are beautiful and given longer in the area, men may
want to integrate more. As it is, it's a short term hedonistic trip,
and the Eastern Bloc does it very cheaply indeed. Laura from Sheffield
should stop flying the women's lib flag, these girls are earning well
over their national average and have chosen to enter the profession and
exploit drunken revellers. Why get nothing in Sheffield when you can
fill your boots in Europe for half the price?! Simple. Men will be
men......Next stop the newly reformed Iraq!!!!
Anon, Cheshire
A man who decides that he would like to get married is making a
commitment to be faithful to his wife alone. If he is truely deeply in
love with his fiance, he would not need to seek satisfaction from any
other woman, especially shortly before his wedding day. Starting a
marriage with the secret of having been with a prostitute or lusting
after a lap dancer or stripper could have devastating consequences. If
you value your partner and are looking for a lasting and happy future,
think before you act carelessly. Just because drunken, deceiving
behaviour is so common, it does not make it acceptable.
Wendy, London
Savages from Liverpool - from the city that is willing to put a strip show next to a church
MQ, Liverpool
Foreigners have long forgotten the Bowla Hat and pot of tea image of
Britain. A recent trip to Petra in Jordan showed me how we are now seen
aborad - 60-something Jordanian men doing cockney impressions of "over
'ere love, it's ASDA price" as we walk down The Siq, and a local drinks
vendor "cheep waaa'ta, nah need for a pint n a fight". Pick the bones
out of that.
Nick, London
As an American travelling in Europe a few years ago (I first studied
abroad in the UK and then did a large exploration of Western an Eastern
Europe with a mate) I found the English stag parties a refreshing site,
one being that at least these former communist strongholds would be
well-versed in English, and the other being that most people took me
for English; and not an imperialist war mongering American!
Kyle, USA
I've just come back from a stag do in Le Mans - having spent four
nights in a tent, 8 hours in a queue for the toilet, 8 hours in the
queue for the showers and the "entertainment" being the 24 hour roar of
cars, I wish I'd have read this first...!
Dave, Basingstoke, UK
My wifes Lithuanian and Iv'e been to Vilnius loads of time. So far no
real stag party invasion as the flights are still expensive relatively
speaking. But you also have to understand the culture difference, lap
dancing for example, these girls take no prisoners, they are used to
Russian heavies as guests, they have a low opinion of English guys
looking for cheap sex, they will take your money and spit you out the
other side, job done.. actually most of the girls are from
Russian/Ukraine, Lithuanian girls consider lap dancing to be on a par
with prostitution.
Chukka, London
I object to the 'savages from Liverpool' comment greatly - there are
large numbers of people who travel from Liverpool who are not savages.
People from Liverpool often travel to escape the hen and stag parties
that descend on the town. Problems of such can be found everywhere
where people go on stag and hen nights, in liverpool that can mean
large groups of young men from other area's coming to the town and
treating every woman they see like a prostitute...
HB, Liverpool
An historic old town and a stag/hen quarter don't have to be the same
part of town or mutually exclusive.
Simply establish your' entertainment' district then control, enforce
and exploit it through licensing and policing. It works in Amsterdam!
Steve, Doncaster UK
Further to Greg in London's comment "it's a celebration of brotherhood
that one of them has found a mate who he hopes to be with for the rest
of his life! Why not celebrate this huge step in life however you want"
- I completely disagree. Celebrate and have a wonderful time, but don't
do it at the expense of respect for women - both the "mate who he hopes
to be with for the rest of his life", or the woman that he is paying
for.
And the funniest thing is, that despite the fact that we know it goes
on, I bet not one married woman in this country doubts the fact that
her partner was completely well behaved on the stag do. What honesty
and integrity to enter into a marriage with!
Hannah B, Leicester
Like David Smith from London, I fly between beteen Spain and England
very frequently and see stag trips on every flight. In my experience
they are generally well behaved youngsters having fun. Don't knock
them. Me, I'm 65 and I envy them!
Mike Mitchell, Formentera del Segura, Spain
I first went on a Stag Party to Tallin some 8 years ago. There were
strip clubs, lap dancing and bars then, but we were the only Stag
party. The proliferation of these is because of demand, but also a fair
amount of greed - for hard cash. Its up to the local/town councils to
manage the proliferation of the seedier side of their towns. Remove
these and you'll lose the Stag parties, buta also the money. The
exploitation point is rubbish - we also went to Spain, Dublin,
Blackpool on other parties - were we exploiting them too ?
GDW, London
I was in Wroclaw at the beginning of May. We flew on a Ryanair flight
from East midlands with two stag parties onboard. As the centre of
Wroclaw was so small we often bumped into the parties. During the day
they were sightseeing and in the evening they were harmlessly enjoying
themselves. Just like in the UK a small minority of yobs give the
majority of people a bad name, we saw no indication of the stags
misbehaving, they were even up earlier than us on the sunday morning!
Lucy, Sheffield, UK
It is really sad that people in this country have such a pessimistic
view of married life that they feel the need to go to such extremes on
the hen or stag do. It also suggests that these same people will live a
rather miserable married life that will almost certainly end in
divorce. If you really think married life is going to end all your fun,
then you're probably marrying the wrong person and for the wrong
reasons.
RC, UK
I don't really understand the concept and necessity of a hen or stag
night/weekend/week to be honest! And why does it have to be a wild
time, full of booze, hookers, lap dancing, strip clubs etc? No one is
being forced to getting married nowadays and no one stops going out
with their mates and getting drunk etc after they¿ve gotten married, so
why all the fuss and waste of money? And how about all the incidents of
grooms or brides-to-be waking up next to someone other than their
future spouses the day after the wild stag or hen party???!!!
Maria, Birmingham
Did I miss something? All of this trouble is caused by the Stag
parties? I think the author of this article forgot to mention about
equally bad, if not worse, Hen parties.
Dan, Swindon
Laura, are you suggesting that being poor absolves people from all
moral responsibility? Or does it simply further your agenda always to
portray women as victims and men as guilty?
DJC, Sutton Coldfield, UK
I think Berties' comments regarding 'the wives and grilfriends'
demonstrate the complete lack of respect for women a lot of these
'stags' have. Obviously it doesn't matter to them that women are forced
into sex work by economic necessity and abuse, and I doubt it would
even cross their mind whether or not the 'hookers' they use are in a
position to give consent. I pity the women of Latvia and every other
city that plays host to these selfish, arrogant men.
Laura, Sheffield
Im due for my stag do next year and already my mates seem to have ideas
of taking me to Latvia with promises such as "What happens there, stays
there". If I do go abroad I do not intend to use my distance from home
as an excuse for bad behaviour.
Andrew, Liverpool
As an expat in Tallinn I can say that the British here hate the stags.
They don't seem to appreciate that people live here, and there is a
culture and people in this country worthy of respect. Their behaviour
has also reflected very badly on those of us who live here - i had to
learn how to say 'i live here!' in Estonian, as local girls now walk
away if they hear you speak English.
The problem is that the locals see stags as 'walking
cash machines' so they tolerate it, and there is a long history of the
Finns coming over to Tallinn for drink and sex so they are already used
to it. But it is sad as these are beautiful, cultural cities worthy of
far better tourists, if they chose to project that image to tourists.
T, Tallinn, Estonia
I feel sad when beautiful, quiet places are ruined; but the governments
grant the landing rights and the people vote in the governments.
Jon, Manchester, UK
Been Living in the Czech Republic for 5 years. Everytime I visit
Prague, i am amazed by the number of well behaved, good humoured,stag
parties going on. I recentlyspent some time with mates from Scotland on
their stag night and in the 3 days they were here, there wasn't one bit
of trouble and i counted at least 10 different groups around all having
fun.
Norrie, Vsetin. Czech Republic
They need the money from tourism, so they have little choice but to
acquiesce to our whims. Isn't this just another form of imperialism?
Gillian Hawkes, Norwich
As far as I can tell most guys go to these places because of strip
clubs, cheap drinks and hookers. It seems to be the norm for
practically every member of stag party groups to use the services of
prostitutes. I can promise that no-one I know of has come back from a
stag party with photos of historical buildings, just stories of nights
out, and the women they paid for.
David, London
A group of us went to Budapest (not a stag night, just a lads weekend
away), and after a few beers ended up in a lap dancing bar. However,
after having 3 beers (in total, not each), we were presented with a
bill for close to £500 for the drinks. When we queried this, a whole
group of bouncers appeared, and threatened violence unless we paid up.
One lad was frog marched to a cash point to extract the money, whilst
the rest of us were held hostage.
Don't let these cities kid you that they are the innocent victim in all
this.
Paul Weller (no, not that one), Rochdale
I am going on a stag do in July and the main focus will be the horse
races, we are all going as Reservoir Dogs... which I admit came across
as cheesy to me but it isn't my stag do and I haven't arranged it, I'm
simply happy to be going. I don't see anything wrong with people
wearing matching T shirts etc as long as they behave abroad, it's a
celebration of brotherhood that one of them has found a mate who he
hopes to be with for the rest of his life! Why not celebrate this huge
step in life however you want.
Greg, London
I always feel totally embarrassed whenever I'm in Stansted airport and
see a gang of 20- to 40-something British guys all decked out in their
matching "Sean/Joe/Tony's stag party Ljubljana/Riga/Vilnius 2006"
T-shirts. These people, like the football hooligans before them, are
helping to cement our reputation abroad as a nation of idiot drunkards.
Have your stag party by all means but please do it inside the UK where
you won't do any damage to our image in other countries. At the very
least, please stop wearing the matching T-shirts.
Richard, London
I don't understand Richard's problem - every stag weekend I've been on
(Vegas, Tenerife, Blackpool, etc.) has been a well mannered group of
guys celebrating their friends past and future. Yes we wear matching
t-shirts and drink, but so what? What harm is that we are having fun
and letting others know that we are on a stag do, as long as we're
polite and well mannered? I think you need to get a life and some
friends, then maybe you'll get to go on a stag week/day/weekend and see
that not all people that go on these things and like to drink are
'thugs' or 'idiots'. Stop pre-judging and labeling people that you
clearly know nothing about.
Tom, Reading
I went to Prague for mine and thoroughly enjoyed. Not one of our party
even spoke to a policeman, never mine got into trouble with one. We
were pleasant and polite to the hotel staff, left our rooms in the
condition we found them, and still found time to do the usual stag
things. Don't tar us all with that hooligan brush.
Anon, Leeds
Surely this is just more ecomonic abuse from west towards the east -
"you will become our playground, your people will come west and become
our servants doing jobs we don't want to do". I think this article
makes light of the poverty of these countries and their noble people.
Welcome to Capitalism!
Cailean, Glasgow, UK
I would not worry so much about UK's image; i think the Iraq war took care of that for good.
Alessandra Asteriti
"We were sitting in the bars drinking and keeping an eye on the local
talent. The eastern European ladies are lovely."
It's amazing how much easier it is to objectify and leer at women when
far from home. But that shouldn't really make it any more acceptable,
should it?
Robert, UK
The main reason these places are so attractive to stag parties is the
price to get there and with the former eastern block countries, the
price once you are there. I recently had my stag weekend in Barcelona,
we paid £40 to get there and booked accomodation and stag night
entertainment through a particular company for £150. There was no
matching t-shirts, just a group of mates enjoying what a foreign city
has to offer, and i'd recommend it to anyone. Barcelona or Blackpool,
its Barca every time for me.
Matt Stephens, Birmingham
We have just returned from a trip to Budapest and had a fantastic time.
The only issue we have had is with the girlfriends and wives who were
less than sympathetic to the evening exploits. The term "what goes on
tour stays on tour" has lost some of its meaning since bars started to
display pictures on their web sites!
Bertie, London
The problem isn't just stag/hen weekends, they fall under the larger
banner of 'brits abroad' the most rude and obnoxious parade of union
jack short wearing morons anyone will ever encounter.
Tim
I went to Prague 2 years ago. Great place, great people, great weather.
Then sitting in a nice cafe near the Old Town Square it all changed.
Looking round the next 2 tables had suddenly been swamped by a stag
party. Football tops, shouting and pasty skin all round. In less than
five minutes they'd annoyed the locals, hassled the lovely waitress and
you couldn't hear yourself think. Looking round everyone was cringing
and giving them evil looks. Only one thing for it...I hid my English
fags and ordered my next drink in German. Meeting my fellow man abroad
en masse is never a good thing.
Jon, Stowmarket
I take the comment about Liverpool as a personal affront. To label us
as savages is something of a generalisation. Granted there are savages
in Liverpool - and some of them are good friends of mine - but on the
whole we are decent, hard working people. Would a city full of savages
be chosen as European Capital of Culture for 2008?
Kieron, Liverpool UK
At the end of the day, these countries allow landing rights to the
budget airlines, so what really do they expect? Happy to take our cash
to feed the economy, but moan when a few idiots ruin it for everyone
else...
Ray, Derby
I was in a group of, frankly more civilised, stag revellers who went to
Riga last summer. We actually played a game of footy against a local
team and did some go-karting. I take the points about the neon and the
drunken groups. I don't like to see them anywhere. However, having gone
out for an extra day to check out the real Riga, culture and
sight-seeing, I have to say that "the historic beauty spot", the old
town, is not all it's cracked up to be. We wandered around in less than
an hour and is nowhere near as much of an attraction as, say, Prague or
Budapest. I doubt people would visit if it were not for these cheap
flights and stag parties.
Colin, London, England
Boyfriend and I spent last summer in the baltics, after visiting the
harrowing museum of occupation in Riga detailing the suffering of the
Latvians under the soviets and the nazis, executions, gulags, KGB and
labour camps we exited to come face to face with a group of UK stags
wearing soviet military peaked caps and wearing Engerland football
shirts. Shame and revulsion. The poverty of the city is obvious and the
begging OAPs, the strip clubs and the girls loitering outside are
grinding and depressing, they are trying to survive a painful economic
transition - they aren't involved for fun. Life is hard in Latvia.
Beautiful city shame the stags don't realise it.
R, Cambridge, UK
"Savages from Liverpool"...has not Liverpool been awarded the honour
European Capital of Culture in 2008? I should think Mr Kastens would do
better to choose his cultural slurs more wisely, and deal with the
problem at hand - his country's need for economic growth.
Lucie Barnes, Oxford
Stop moaning Latvia and enjoy your new found tourist boom! Personally,
when I visited the place as part of a stag party I thought all the
locals were really friendly, particularly the strippers and gun
merchants.
Jim, London
I live in Riga and while it is true that there are a few gangs of noisy
Brits wandering around most weekends it does not really spoil the
place. I first cam eto live here over 10 years ago and since then the
city has changed from a grey run down place to possibly the most
beautiful capital in Europe. Don't be put off by talk of the stag
parties, Riga really is worth visiting especially when you can focus
enough to see the beauty of the place.
Steve, Riga, Latvia
MB, your appraisal is spot-on, the many countries visited by British
Stag parties appreciate the hard cash that floods into their cities.
The problems with prostitution are the local governments
responsibility, many of whom are so corrupt that they benefit directly
anyway.
Mel, Bristol
FAO Richard, London. What are you talking about, I fly to Spain every
week at have seen my fair share of Stag/hen parties going away and none
appear to be 'Football Hooligans' destroying the British reputation, if
anything the ones destroying our reputation are the elderly which I see
always complaining about something at airports or abroad or the
'Tracksuit Family' 4 adults and a dozen uncontrolable kids. If
countries did not want the stag/hen parties and the money they take
along they could always ban them.
David Smith, London, UK
These things come in cycles. Now it's the Baltic cities, immediately it
was Reykjavik, previously Dublin. For our fathers and grandfathers it
was Paris, Lille, Berlin, Rome... except they did it with uniforms on.
"Hordes of young men sweeping across Europe looking for beer and
women." That's being going on for a thousand years!
MB, Korea
Thanks for all the info on where to go, I'm off !
JH, London, but not for long...